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LoveLij
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« Thread started on: Dec 31st, 2003, 7:11pm » |
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Of course! Many more than one. How could it not? It was such a touching story. So many
lessons were taught to me about friendship, death, and just the world in general.
Frodo and Sam were great friends. Sam was always there for Frodo, not matter what
happened. He was a very dedicated friend. It must be hard having to watch your friend
suffering, and not being able to do anything about it. That is why Sam was such a
touching character. He tried his hardest to help...even if it means putting himself in
danger. Even if it ment fighting giant spiders, orcs, and carrying Frodo up a mountain.
Let alone having to deal with Gollum’s sneaky tricks. After Sam had hold of The One Ring
for a few moments, he knew only partially what Frodo must have been going through.
Like when he said, “I can’t carry it for you, but I can carry you!” I think Sam didn’t want to
carry The Ring. I think he thought that he wouldn’t be able to handle it, but Frodo could.
Even after Frodo told Sam to, “Go home” Sam didn’t give up and leave Frodo because
he knew he was right. And he didn’t want Frodo to get hurt...or worse. I learned
dedicated and good friends will go half way around the world to save their friends. And
would die for their friends. I may not have any best friends...but I now know what one is.
Frodo may seem to have been rude to Sam. And I agree. But you have to remember
that The Ring was taking over him. He also was deceived by Gollum (because Frodo
thought Gollum knew what he was going through) to make him think Sam was trying to
steal The Ring. Frodo had to do what was best. He had to protect The Ring so it could be
destroyed. It may not have been the right choice, but he wanted to finish, “the task that
was appointed to him”. If Sam were to have stole The Ring, the whole world would have
been destroyed. Luckily Sam was such a good friend that he kept going. Sometimes you
have to make mistakes in life.
The hobbits never had anything to do with outsides problems. The One Ring was their first.
Hobbits don’t want to have to deal with problems. But Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin
were so brave, and loved their home so much that they overcame their fears to help.
And to help save their friends. If you really love something...you would go to the ends of
the worlds to save it! It reminds me...all of the trees in my neighborhood are being torn
down. It makes me so mad! I want to do something about it. Its like my home is being
tooken away. The hobbits did more than save their trees, the saved their friends and
family, even though they were scared.
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No, Sam. I can't recall the taste of food, nor the smell of water, nor the touch of grass. I'm naked in the dark. There's nothing--no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I can see him with my waking eyes.
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Re: Lesson(s)
« Reply #1 on: Dec 31st, 2003, 7:14pm » |
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Frodo had a strong heart. No matter how hard it hurt to keep on going...he did. No
matter what danger. He may have been overcome by evil sometimes...but mostly not.
His heart was so strong that he didn’t listen. He made rash decisions to make it through
that point in his life. And he may never be the same again, sadly. That may set the pace
for his life. I take Bilbo and Frodo going to the Gray Havens as them going away to pass
away. Like Frodo said, “Its been 4 years since Weathertop, its never fully healed.” Does
that make sense?
There is many more...but most people do not read long posts anyway...so I’ll try to make
the next few short.
Arwen loved Aragorn so much that she almost died for him. She came mortal for him. If it
wasn’t for her love, Aragorn may never have become King. And there may have never
been a next King (their child). Elrond may have never be faithfull that the war of Middle
Earth would be over. He thought Aragorn would end up just like Isildur.
Aragorn discovered finally that he was not Isildur. He became himself, not Isildur. He
persuaded people to help save Middle Earth. He finally knew, thanks to arwen, that he
could make a difference.
a good one.
Like I said, there is many more...but I did not want to take up all of your time.
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No, Sam. I can't recall the taste of food, nor the smell of water, nor the touch of grass. I'm naked in the dark. There's nothing--no veil between me and the wheel of fire. I can see him with my waking eyes.
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Re: Lesson(s)
« Reply #2 on: Dec 31st, 2003, 7:38pm » |
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There are so many lessons, like you said Lovelij. I have a book here called 'Tolkien's Ordinary Virtues'. That's what these lessons were. Ordinary Virtues that came out through Tolkien's writings. I am getting another book soon called 'Finding God in Lord of the Rings'. There is another book out called 'Walking with Frodo'. All of these books tell of the lessons and virtues that were in Lord of the Rings, and I think most of them were not intentionally put in there. Tolkien wrote what he thought, and it came out in his writings as he thought it.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 1st, 2004, 1:16pm » |
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Wow. Those books sound really interesting. I wish our book stores would caring such meaningful books. And I agree with you when you say that some of the lessons were not perposfully put in the books. Some of them were so small, but yet were so important and ment so much. There is at least one lesson in every story, I think. And if you WANT the story to hahve a lesson (purposelly) then I think it will have little lessons insid...just building up to the main lesson. I also thought of it as getting along. Along time ago, elves and dwarves used to fight. But in this time-they stood side-by-side and became friends. I know it might sound crazy, but I think I did find God through The Lord of the Rings. Think what you want...but I'll stand my ground. After I saw the movies...I appreciated things more. I appreciated every night I got a good sleep, everytime I ate. Cause there are people suffering out there.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 2nd, 2004, 7:10pm » |
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It is true, very true, that authors, even if they don't intend to convey certain things, can unconsciously express truth throughout their works, and I do think that Tolkein did just that. It makes me mad when people call Tolkein an atheistic weirdo that was half off his rocker. He could not have produced such great masterpieces that still touch lives today in this very skeptical culture if he was half off his rocker!
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 3rd, 2004, 5:14pm » |
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I thought it was crazy how at first they didn't release the books. Yeah, they were ahead of their times, but that is good. They had really important lessons. They made me think about what is going on in the world around me. The lessons are so valuable and I don't know how else I would have learned them if it wasn't for the books and the movies. Its amazing how they can still change people after years and years. Tolkien was very creative and spent soo much time on them. I don't see how people can say something about a person who wrote something so meaningful.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 8th, 2004, 6:01pm » |
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I may have learned some lessons from The Lord of the Rings, but I hate it when people try to turn it into and allegory...  Tolkien himself said that it had no hidden meaning, and he said it was not an allegory...so... And...at first they didn't release...what books? Now if Tolkien was like Don McClean, you couldn't trust him, but he wasn't...
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 12th, 2004, 10:10pm » |
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I'm not saying it's an allegory. ANd I know Tolkien himself said it wasn't, but that doesn't change the fact that he wrote good books with meaning. That's why I said he -unconsciously- conveyed truth.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 14th, 2004, 4:28pm » |
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"Simmer down, fluffy! I'm not going to waste this on you! Who knows what might happen?!"
No offence. I didn't even notice that you said that, actually. I was just meaning it about the lessons learned from it kind of topic in general. Anyway, who in tarnation calls Tolkien an atheistic weirdo who was half off his rocker?! "Kill them." I think he said that it had no overall moral, either, but I don't remember...
"Anyone trying to find a meaning in this book will be prosecuted. Anyone trying to find a moral will be shot."
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 15th, 2004, 08:19am » |
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"Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."~ J.R.R. Tolkien
Applicability. That's all I was saying. I, too, said unintentionally. 
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 15th, 2004, 9:08pm » |
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VERY good point! Way to go Araquen! You did your research.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 16th, 2004, 6:11pm » |
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Thanks. Not hard to find. It's in the forward to LotR.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 18th, 2004, 9:36pm » |
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Oh right. I don't have a very good edition of the book. That wasn't in my forward. And I'm missing like the first 45 pages. Ah well, I could bother my brother's. I need to get some new books.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 20th, 2004, 11:58am » |
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That would be the forword. Anyway,
"As for any meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. As the story grew it put down roots (into the past) and threw out unexpected branches: but its main theme was settled from the outset on the inevitable choice of the Ring as the link between it and The Hobbit." --J.R.R. Tolkien
I know this one has nothing to do with anything, but I'll just put it because it is so incredibly dawgone blasted funny:
"Long afterwards my father would write, in a wrathful comment on a 'pretty' or 'ladylike' pictorial rendering of Legolas:
He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgûl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship." --The Book of Lost Tales 2 by J.R.R. Tolkien, edited by Christopher Tolkien (this quote was set by Christopher)
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 10th, 2004, 9:47pm » |
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*Sigh* This wasn't a thread to argue in. I was simply asking if you learned a lesson from The Lord of the Rings. Just because Tolkien didn't mean or maybe he didn't even want to have it mean something...doesn't mean there's nothing there. Personally, I look deep into stories, looking for hidden meanings, and that's how I write too. And Fingolfin, you have told me you do not like that king of writing which is why I was surprised you like LotR. But maybe you like it because you don't look into it. I think there is a lesson in every story, even if no lesson at all was intended. I am sorry, I'm getting frusturted. So I'll just stop before I go off on a rampage.
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